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Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced."John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, from George Seldes, The Great Quotations, also from James A Haught, ed, 2000 Years of Disbelief"The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles."-- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 20, 1815"Let the human mind loose. Here are some quotes from Adams the devout:"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Again, let's let George speak for himself:"Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish Church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. 37, quoted from Ed and Michael Buckner.As for Jefferson, he doesn't really argue that one because he knows he would lose.
He calls John Adams "devout," which is nonsense. In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; in many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies."-- Benjamin Franklin, quoted from Victor J Stenger, Has Science Found God. Anyhow, back to his other arguments (if you want to call them that). He accepted, to a considerable extent, the skeptical views of French Freethinkers." -- John E Remsberg, Six Historic Americans).All in all, this book is rubbish and merely disregards any information that might contradict its central thesis.
(2001)"When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one."-- Benjamin Franklin, letter to Richard Price, October 9, 1780, quoted from Adrienne Koch, ed, The American Enlightenment: The Shaping of the American Experiment and a Free Society, New York: George Braziller, 1965, p. It is only for those who wish to validate their dogma and thus is complete tripe. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."-- George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792, quoted from Albert J Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom, also James A Haught, 2000 Years of Disbelief"We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the pagans, but practiced it on one another. Firstly, he believes that because the Founding Fathers supposedly were ardent Christians, therefore we should be too. Either way, conservatives and fundamentalist Christians should be in the minority since their views are dogmatic and ancient, not fit for a people living in the 21st Century. But what about General George Washington, who he claims was intensively Christian. It will be loose.
Superstition and dogmatism cannot confine it."-- John Adams, letter to his son, John Quincy Adams, November 13, 1816, from James A Haught, ed, 2000 Years of DisbeliefHe argues that James Madison, the father of the Constitution, founded our government with the express intent of making it borderline theocratic and denies what he calls the "myth" of separation. 118, quoted from Ed and Michael Buckner"Among many other weighty objections to the Measure, it has been suggested, that it has a tendency to introduce religious disputes into the Army, which above all things should be avoided, and in many instances would compel men to a mode of Worship which they do not profess."-- George Washington, to John Hancock, then president of Congress, expressing opposition to a congressional plan to appoint brigade chaplains in the Continental Army (1777), quoted from a letter to Cliff Walker from Doug Harper (2002). Again, it is best to let Madison speak for himself:"And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."-- James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822, in Saul K Padover, ed, The Complete Madison: His Basic Writings (1953), also; from Jack N Rakove, ed, James Madison: Writings, (1999), p. It is so; it is not so."-- Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1743And this one is especially appropriate since Limbaugh calls his book "Persecution":"If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution.
Yet again we have another Christian sad-sack posing as the oppressed minority, when most polls show their superstitious world view to be very much in the MAJORITY. 93."Many a long dispute among divines may be thus abridged: It is so; It is not so. 572 ("Gouverneur Morris was the principal drafter of the Constitution of the United States; he was a member of the Continental Congress, a United States senator from New York, and minister to France. Well, they're weak and cherry-picked, which is to be expected from tripe of this sort. It must be loose.
A child-molesting black murderer would have a better chance of winning office than an atheist (as the polls also show). How about a closer look:"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. As for the validity of the Bible, no need to tackle that here; just don't think and accept, even though it was written by incredibly ignorant men years after the supposed fact and contradicts itself all over the place. He goes on to argue (unconvincingly) how the Founding Fathers (including the core, or those who actually wrote the documents and became presidents or great public men) were devout Christians. p.
In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man's religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States."-- George Washington, letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 1793, in Anson Phelps Stokes, Church and State in the United States, Vol 1. So, what are the arguments. 497, quoted from Albert J Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom"If they are good workmen, they may be of Asia, Africa, or Europe. Maybe Americans weren't really as religious as they were made out to be.probably too busy trying to survive and all.He also argues that Franklin was a religious man because of his PUBLIC announcements of faith -- a common thing when anything else could be seen as blasphemous by the faithful. But one thing is for sure, they were definitely not devout Christians.
iv., p. When Jefferson ran for president in 1800, Adams' people ran an ad that said: "GOD--AND A RELIGIOUS PRESIDENT or.JEFFERSON--AND NO GOD." Yet Jefferson still went on to win in the House of Representatives and the supposedly religious man Adams placed third. Nice tid-bit. What Jefferson said privately about George:"I know that Gouverneur Morris, who claimed to be in his secrets, and believed himself to be so, has often told me that General Washington believed no more in that system [Christianity] than he did."-- Thomas Jefferson, in his private journal, February, 1800, quoted from Jefferson's Works, Vol. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient allies."-- James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, addressed to the Virginia General Assemby, June 20, 1785"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprize, every expanded prospect."-- James Madison, letter to William Bradford, Jr., April 1, 1774, quoted from Edwin S Gaustad, Faith of Our Fathers: Religion and the New Nation (1987) p. They may be Mohometans, Jews or Christians of any Sect, or they may be Atheists."-- George Washington, letter to Tench Tilghman asking him to secure a carpenter and a bricklayer for his Mount Vernon estate, March 24, 1784, in Paul F Boller, George Washington & Religion (1963) p.
Therefore as logic goes if they believed in witches, black-magic, alchemy and astrology, so should we.because for some reason, they knew what was best and we should just accept their beliefs no matter how old. These found it wrong in the bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here and in New England."-- Benjamin Franklin, An Essay on TolerationThese men were at best agnostic, deist, or unitarian (or possibly closet atheists). But either way, here is a great fact. He was raised by dogmatic parents like most others, but then went on to formulate hateful opinions of Christianity. 789, quoted from Ed and Michael Buckner, "Quotations that Support the Separation of State and Church""What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society.
They may not be throwing Christians to the lions anymore, but is American persecution of Christianity just as severe. From the schools to the high courts, you'll be outraged by the treatment of Christians in this allegedly free society. You be the judge. This gripping expose of liberalism will startle you. Everyone knows of an example or two of how some poor Christian has been treated with a less than tolerant attitude, but David Limbaugh's book Persecution is chock full of true stories to make us realize just how damaging a "politically correct" society can be to Judeo-Christian values.
I am an independant, wish i could vote for either party, i say this because especially bad are democrats who seem out to attack "real" Christians.recent examples are laws passed to force Catholic charities and hospitals to offer (forcibly pay for) birth control, abortion, and homosexual adoptions, all against our faith. I get the National Catholic Reporter.every week there are stories of Christians being discriminated and persecuted for their faith here in America. Limbaugh is sounding the alarm that this is coming. Wake up, the day is coming when it will be illegal for pastors to preach against homosexuality or other things the liberals dont like , just like a few countries in Europe and Australia (A pastor recently went to jail for reading the Bible in church, reading from the passages that talk about homosexuality). In 5 or so years, I haven't seen a one of those stories in the national liberal press. Over the 5 years i can see it getting worse.
An excellent and insightful analysis of the culture war against Christians. Expect most ideas that have made Western civilization great to become illegal or twisted in the next fifty years. Mr. Limbaugh provides insights into political persecution of Christians in America.
No bigotry allowed in America, except against evangelical Christians. Excellent expose` of the systematic cleansing of any vestige of Christianity in America, especially by the Communist-front organization ACLU.
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